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David Cordingly's
Cochrane the Dauntless
On Saturday partner and I went over to Edinburgh for the event Cochrane in Fact and Fictionhosted by the National Museums of scotland to coincide with their exhibition Admiral Cochrane: The Real Master and Commander. The first talk was by David Cordingly, author of Cochrane the Dauntless, who presented a summary of Cochrane's naval career, the impact of his conviction for stock market fraud and his lasting legacy in Latin American. The second was by Stuart Allan, Senior Curator of Military History at the NMS, who presented a highly entertaining romp through Cochrane's impact on historical naval fiction. Both presentations were excellent. Although Cordingly more or less presented a summary of his book, he is a very engaging speaker and he illustrated his talk with lots of contemporary paintings from the National Maritime Museum where he was previously Keeper of Pictures. Allen was also brilliant and came across as less of a senior curator and more of an over excited fanboy!

I took copious notes during both presentations which I'll try and write up at some point. In fact I took so many notes that the elderly gentlemen behind me asked if I was doing a PhD. Oops! I resisted replying "Nah, I'm just a fangirl" and said I was doing some research just for fun ;)


Patrick O'Brian
"shy and repressed"?
On behalf of [livejournal.com profile] esteven I asked Cordingly if he could tell us more about James Guthrie, Cochrane's surgeon and life long confidante. I didn't mention Stephen Maturin but Cordingly interpreted the question as "Did O'Brian base Maturin on Guthrie?" He said that he had asked O'Brian's stepson Nikolai Tosltoy this question Tolstoy had relied that he thought not specifically. Cordingly suggested that O'Brian would have known the story of Guthrie being left in command of the Speedy during the action against the Gamo from Cochrane's own autobiography and that he used this as the starting point to create the character of Maturin. He also added that O'Brian put a lot of his own, somewhat fabricated, personna into Maturin. For example O'Brian allowed people to believe he was Irish, whereas he was in fact English.

Cordingly also said that he had met O'Brian once and that he was "shy, repressed and very hard to talk to." He added that he had once been asked to give O'Brien a tour of the NMMs galleries and that it "had not been a pleasant experience."

I spoke to Cordingly after the lecture and thanked him for answering the question and he seemed very approachable and willing to talk :)


Horatio Hornblower,
the man that bankrupt ITV?!
In his potted history of naval adventure fiction Allen covered Defoe, Smolett, Scott, Fenimore Cooper, Marryat and O'Brian, but he described Forester and Hornblower as "his favourite". Yay! However he also said that the Hornblower tv series "almost bankrupt ITV" Boo! But then he did show a very pretty slide of Horatio so I'll forgive him. He referred to Hornblower as the quintessential man alone, a man defined by his inner turmoil. He then rather cheekily suggested that in Captain Hornblower RN Gregory Peck expressed the depths of Hornblower's self doubt by clearing his throat and pacing the deck. Which to be fair is pretty much what Forester has him do!


Thomas Cochrane
Ginger genes will out!
After the lectures we went up to exhibition were Allen appeared shortly afterwards with a group of real live Latin American naval officers who were being given a guided tour around the exhibition. They looked quite awe struck! I was rather more distracted by a young chap who bore an uncanny resemblance to the young Ioan Gruffudd. It took all my self restraint not to break open the display case containing Cochrane's uniform and wrestle the guy into it. (The uniform that is, not the display case ;)

And as if that wasn't enough we also got to see two real live Cochranes! During tea break partner pointed out a tall red haired bloke and said "Do you think he's related?" I told him not to be silly but it turned out he was! We heard him being introduced to Cordingly along with another elderly Cochrane who Cordingly was clearly on familiar terms with.

All in all it really was a really rather fabulous day out for a couple of AoS geeks!

Date: 2011-11-29 12:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eglantine-br.livejournal.com
I love the idea of you wrestling a baffled and handsome young man into a display case!

Date: 2011-11-29 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
I'm telling you, I came that close ;)

Date: 2011-11-29 02:31 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] rikibeth.livejournal.com
So much envy! I will have to keep updated on whether the museums in my part of the world are planning anything nearly as awesome. Housemate/BFF and I made a couple of ship-museum expeditions this past spring, and I had to be restrained from bringing home the entire selection of books in the gift shops (and I don't need a deck prism no matter how pretty they are), but we failed to win the lottery for tickets to be on board the Constitution for the yearly turnaround cruise, and there weren't any special speakers, either.

yum, young naval officer who looked like Ioan. *fans self*

Date: 2011-11-29 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
Oh yes! Do keep us posted if you have any nautical expeditions, on land or sea!

yum, young naval officer who looked like Ioan. *fans self*
Clarification required...the cute bloke that I was tempted to wrestle into Cochrane's uniform wasn't actually one of the real live naval officers. Though some of them weren't bad either ;)

Date: 2011-11-29 09:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] rikibeth.livejournal.com
I will indeed! Perhaps I'll write up the spring's trips -- there were plenty of hands-on things, and I wound up learning quite a bit from those.

There was also a fellow with a banjo singing sea songs at one of them. He was sort of randomly playing in between his scheduled shows and as soon as we heard "Bound For South Australia" we went over to him, like iron filings to a magnet, already singing along as we approached. We chatted with him some, and after one of his performances he expressed some surprise at how many of the songs we knew, and I just kind of shrugged and said, "her parents are folkies, my ex-husband's in an Irish band, it's only to be expected."

Perhaps this coming summer we'll go to their yearly music festival there.

Date: 2011-11-30 10:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
Please do write up your trips! Especially if you get to the music festival :D

Btw, if you like the music you might be interested in the two AoS playlist I put together:
AoS Playlist 1: English sailors, American navyboys and gay pirates (again)
AoS Playlist 2: Laments for Napoleon, misbehaving horsemen and other musical curiosities

You might want to sit down before listening to the United States Naval Academy Men's Glee Club singing Spanish Ladies though ;P

Date: 2011-11-29 05:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] esteven
Oh, what joy to read this review! I was also thrilled to hear that the senior curator could be such a fanboy. That is so adorable. Green with envy does not begin to describe my situation.

Thank you also for asking the question on my behalf. But a special thank you must go to whoever looked after your little cherub to enable you and partner to attend this lecture.

Thank you so much again.
*bounces to work*

Date: 2011-11-29 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
The curator was a complete fan boy! He said he'd spent the last three weeks sitting in his office watching Master and Commander and claiming it was research! XD

a special thank you must go to whoever looked after your little cherub to enable you and partner to attend this lecture.
Ah yes. That would be my oldest and dearest and very long suffering school friend.

Thank you so much again.
You're welcome! The pleasure was all mine :)

Date: 2011-11-29 09:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] rikibeth.livejournal.com
He said he'd spent the last three weeks sitting in his office watching Master and Commander and claiming it was research! XD

I do not resemble that remark, oh no, not at all... just let me go proof the yeast for my seed-cake...

Date: 2011-11-30 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
No nor me. Nor partner. Definitely not. Not in the slightest. *whistles Innocently*

Date: 2011-11-30 05:40 am (UTC)
esteven: (Default)
From: [personal profile] esteven
That is so very cute! I am sure his input was needed for putting together that short introductory film. :D

:D
*waits for the PhD*

Date: 2011-11-30 10:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
Allen was rather cute actually! *g*

*waits for the PhD*
Don't tempt me ;)

Date: 2011-12-01 05:43 am (UTC)
esteven: (Default)
From: [personal profile] esteven
*g* Fanboys can be very cute :D

*will do almost everything to tempt you*
What would you like?

Date: 2011-12-01 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
What would you like?
Trust fund for daughter?! If anyone could provide that I'd be off like a shot! :}

Date: 2011-12-02 05:30 am (UTC)
esteven: (Default)
From: [personal profile] esteven
*sighs*
I'm afraid that's one of the few things I cannot provide*
*is desolate*

Date: 2011-12-02 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
I'm afraid that's one of the few things I cannot provide
No nor me :( Ah well, we can but dream :)

Date: 2011-12-03 05:34 am (UTC)
esteven: (Default)
From: [personal profile] esteven
*nods*
*catches a dream and sends it*

Date: 2011-11-29 11:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mylodon.livejournal.com
So jealous. Brilliant stuff. And yes, Maturin is O'Brian, as he'd have wished to be, I suspect. The bit about his daughter convinces me.

Date: 2011-11-29 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
That's certainly what Cordingly seemed to think. I know very little about O'Brian so it was fascinating to hear Cordingly and Allen's thoughts about him.

Date: 2011-11-29 02:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katriona-s.livejournal.com
David Cordingly?! You listened to the lecture by the author of "Pirates" !?!? Wow! It must be wonderful... I envy you.
Thank you very much for the interesting report!

Date: 2011-11-29 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
Yup. That's the one! Though I haven't read any of Cordingly's pirate books. I have Billy Ruffian and Women Sailors & Sailor's Women here in my reading pile. They don't seem to be getting any closer to the top though!

Date: 2011-11-29 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elin-gregory.livejournal.com
I like David Cordingly's writing style very much! I'm so envious!

Curators SHOULD be fanboys/girls. They should love the things they look after. I used to work with one who was passionate about prehistory and the Romano-Celts. Now I work with one who is passionate about being on committees. It's NOT the same.

Date: 2011-11-29 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
I like David Cordingly's writing style very much!
Me too and he spoke as engagingly as he writes!

And you're soooo right about museum curators too. Stuart Allen's enthusiasm for his subject was delightful!

Date: 2011-11-30 09:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
It was great fun! :D
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Date: 2011-11-30 09:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
You're very welcome on both counts! I hope to write up the lecture notes at some stage but I am sadly lacking in time at the moment

Date: 2011-12-01 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nodbear.livejournal.com
Thank you = so glad you both got there and that it was an eventful day and so useful too in various ways

Date: 2011-12-01 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
It was fab day out! The talks were excellent :) I should add that partner and I were probably the youngest people in the audience. That did make us giggle a bit ;)

Date: 2011-12-03 06:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] esteven
I should add that partner and I were probably the youngest people in the audience.
Wonderful!*G*

Oh, they might have been in for the shock of their lives had Eljay's Aubreyad and Hornblower communities descended upon the lecture. :DDDDDDDDD
*enjoys the thought*

Date: 2011-12-03 04:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
Yes, the audience was full of silver haired gentlemen and a few ladies of a "certain" age. There were a few younger blokes and two other women about my age, but that was it. Heaven knows what they would have made of fangirls en masse! XD
Edited Date: 2011-12-03 04:42 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-12-03 06:21 pm (UTC)
esteven: (Default)
From: [personal profile] esteven
*g*
They might realize that AoS and history research can be SUCH fun. :D

Date: 2011-12-04 08:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
*nods* I think they might have been astonished by just how much FUN fangirls can have with naval history! XD

Date: 2011-12-04 08:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] esteven
They just do not know what they are missing. Nothing like a fannish squee. :D

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