The Mystery of the Missing Countesses
Jan. 27th, 2012 09:53 amReading age of sail history and fiction you get used to the almost complete absence of women. You have seek out very specific publications such as Mary Lacey's autobiography The Female Shipwright, Suzanne Stark's Female Tars or David Cordingly's Women Sailors and Sailors' Women to get an impression of the lot of women at sea during the period. While this does rather make me *sigh* I accept it as inevitable feature of the historical narrative of the period. Every so often though you read something where the absence of women that you know were there becomes so obvious that it's startling.
Last month I read David Cordingly's Billy Ruffian, which is a wonderful book, fully deserving of all the praise that has been heaped on it by reviewers. One of the most fascinating chapters comes towards the end, when Bellerophon became the temporary abode of Napoleon on his surrender to the British, prior to his exile on St Helena. Cordingly provides a moving description of the moment Napoleon steps off the French brig Epervier and into the Bellerophon's barge thus handing himself over to his former British enemies.
Cordingly illustrates this momentous event with this aquatint by Jean Pierre Marie Jazet from the National Maritime Museum Collection.

It's a lovely illustration but neither hide nor hair can be seen of the countesses or the children. Of course it's unfair to criticise Cordingly for the oversight of a contemporary French artist, but the absence of the countesses and children is striking.
Later Cordingly goes on to describe how Napoleon and his suite were accommodated on board Bellerophon. Captain Maitland had suggested dividing the great after cabin in two, with one half for the Emperor and the other for the women and children. Las Cases, Napoleon's secretary, politely suggested that
Maitland agreed to any arrangement that would be most agreeable to Napoleon. Very magnanimous of him to be sure, but it did rather leave me wondering where the women and children went. The wardroom with the officers? The larboard berth with the mids? One can't help wondering, but Cordingly doesn't tell us. Later we discover that Countess Bertrand has been accommodated in the first lieutenant's cabin when Cordingly describes how she attempted to throw herself into the sea from the gun port on hearing that her husband was likely to accompany Napoleon into exile on St Helena.
I hate to criticise David Cordingly as he is one of my favourite naval historians, and one of the few who has actually written about the lives of women at sea, but I couldn't help being struck by these noticeable absences in an otherwise excellent book. So for the record, here are the missing countesses:
For a fascinating article on Albine and Fanny, and their relationship with Napoleon and each other, I can highly recommend John Tyrell's blog post The Ladies of Longwood: Albine de Montholon & Fanny Betrand.
Last month I read David Cordingly's Billy Ruffian, which is a wonderful book, fully deserving of all the praise that has been heaped on it by reviewers. One of the most fascinating chapters comes towards the end, when Bellerophon became the temporary abode of Napoleon on his surrender to the British, prior to his exile on St Helena. Cordingly provides a moving description of the moment Napoleon steps off the French brig Epervier and into the Bellerophon's barge thus handing himself over to his former British enemies.
The sailors helped Countess Bertrand and her three children and Countess Montholon and her child into the barge. General Bertrand and General Savary followed. Napoleon was the last to leave the French brig and step down into the British boat. It was a symbolic moment which was not lost on those present. The Emperor was surrendering to the enemy.
Cordingly illustrates this momentous event with this aquatint by Jean Pierre Marie Jazet from the National Maritime Museum Collection.
It's a lovely illustration but neither hide nor hair can be seen of the countesses or the children. Of course it's unfair to criticise Cordingly for the oversight of a contemporary French artist, but the absence of the countesses and children is striking.
Later Cordingly goes on to describe how Napoleon and his suite were accommodated on board Bellerophon. Captain Maitland had suggested dividing the great after cabin in two, with one half for the Emperor and the other for the women and children. Las Cases, Napoleon's secretary, politely suggested that
"...the Emperor will be better pleased to have the whole of the after-cabin himself, as he is fond of walking about, and will by that means be able to take more exercise."
Maitland agreed to any arrangement that would be most agreeable to Napoleon. Very magnanimous of him to be sure, but it did rather leave me wondering where the women and children went. The wardroom with the officers? The larboard berth with the mids? One can't help wondering, but Cordingly doesn't tell us. Later we discover that Countess Bertrand has been accommodated in the first lieutenant's cabin when Cordingly describes how she attempted to throw herself into the sea from the gun port on hearing that her husband was likely to accompany Napoleon into exile on St Helena.
I hate to criticise David Cordingly as he is one of my favourite naval historians, and one of the few who has actually written about the lives of women at sea, but I couldn't help being struck by these noticeable absences in an otherwise excellent book. So for the record, here are the missing countesses:
For a fascinating article on Albine and Fanny, and their relationship with Napoleon and each other, I can highly recommend John Tyrell's blog post The Ladies of Longwood: Albine de Montholon & Fanny Betrand.
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Date: 2012-01-27 10:55 am (UTC)"Reading age of sail history and fiction you get used to the almost complete absence of women."
Isn't THAT the truth? Every time I watch an age of sail movie (Errol Flynn swashbucklers excluded), I just automatically assume there won't be any women.
Although now you've got me interested...have you made any posts in the past about women at sea? I'd love to read about any women who disguised themselves as men, both because I've always enjoyed that sort of thing and because, well, I have a writerly interest (icon for illustration).
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Date: 2012-01-27 11:26 am (UTC)There is a much larger version of this image on the NMM website which reveals the figure behind Napoleon to be one of Bellerophon's officers.
Isn't THAT the truth? Every time I watch an age of sail movie (Errol Flynn swashbucklers excluded), I just automatically assume there won't be any women.
Almost every ship had women aboard, usually the wives of warrant officers or seamen, but they very rarely appear in either film, literature or contemporary records. In fact Pellew was one of the few Admirals to publicly acknowledge the important role of women in battle, after the Bombardment of Algiers. "British women served at the same guns with their husbands, and during a contest of many hours, never shrank from danger, but animated all around them."
have you made any posts in the past about women at sea?
Not as many as I feel I should have! Anything I have written on this topic is tagged gender. I can highly recommend Stark's Female Tars btw. It's probably the defining book on the subject and it's also highly readable. To my shame I haven't read Cordingly's Women Sailors and Sailors' Women yet. It's been on my bookshelf for over a year along with another one called Iron Men, Wooden Women which is a series of papers on gender and seafaring in the Atlantic world, though it is not exclusive to the age of sail.
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Date: 2012-01-27 09:07 pm (UTC)That aquatint is a splendidly shameless example of women being written out of history.
I note, though, that Jane Austen is one of the few contemporary sources to mention that there were women aborad naval ships - in Persuasion, Mrs Croft describes a number of voyages she's been on with Admiral Croft, and Captain Wentworth has a long discussion about whether women should be allowed on board or not (he takes it for granted that they are, in fact, present, he just thinks they shouldn't be, and the reaction of the other officers is "Wait till he's married, then he'll think differently"). But of course Jane Austen, as everybody knows, only ever wrote about life in tiny country villages and knew nothing about the wider world, so she can be safely disregarded on this topic.
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Date: 2012-01-27 11:47 pm (UTC)Isn't it?! It's one of the most blatant examples I've come across recently!
I haven't read much Austen but I did read Persuasion recently and really enjoyed it. Thought I confess I had forgotten the discussions you mentioned.
But of course Jane Austen, as everybody knows, only ever wrote about life in tiny country villages and knew nothing about the wider world, so she can be safely disregarded on this topic.
Would that be the same Jane Austen who happened to live near by to Emma Halstead, nee Pellew, daughter of a certain Admiral Lord Exmouth?
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Date: 2012-01-28 06:06 am (UTC)That's the one. The same Jane Austen with brothers in the navy, one of whom became an admiral.
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Date: 2012-01-28 06:37 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-01-27 12:03 pm (UTC)But your research shows that they were there.
I have tried to invent some too-- although not at sea. I feel a great respect for the women to let sons and husbands go away to sea. I hope I have showed their quiet courage.
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Date: 2012-01-27 04:59 pm (UTC)Kitty is great but otherwise....hmmm....I like Lady Barbara, particularly in The Happy Return but she becomes rather two dimensional. Maria I find deeply troubling, I'm really quite uncomfortable about her character. One of the reasons that
I feel a great respect for the women to let sons and husbands go away to sea. I hope I have showed their quiet courage.
Oh yes, they are so often overlooked. But you have definitely reminded us of their enduring presence.
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Date: 2012-01-27 09:28 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-01-27 11:52 pm (UTC)I'm afraid Flying Colours is never going to top my list of favourite books :/
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Date: 2012-01-27 05:08 pm (UTC)Suzanne Stark's Female Tars is an excellent read. Her research is exemplary and she writes with a rather wry sens of humour. Some of the detail in the first chapter on prostitutes and sailors wives is just staggering.
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Date: 2012-01-27 07:34 pm (UTC)Basil Hall also casually mentions the wife of the boatswain of the Alceste in his book Account of a Voyage of Discovery to the West Coast of Corea and the Great Loo-Choo Island in the Japan Sea.
And while she wasn't a naval wife, Basil Hall's sister, Magdalene, married William DeLancey. (Basil Hall had met and hosted DeLancey after the Battle of Corunna.) DeLancey died from injuries sustained during the Battle of Waterloo. If you've seen the movie Waterloo (Christopher Plummer version), she (forget the actress who played her) appears briefly during the ball scene.
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Date: 2012-02-10 10:46 pm (UTC)I have never come across Betsey Wynne before though, so thank you very much for the recommendation. I'll definitely look up The Wynne Diaries.
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Date: 2012-01-28 12:16 am (UTC)I noticed the name Epervier of the French brig. If I remember correctly, the Royal Navy had a brig of the same name that was taken by the US Navy during the war of 1812. It was lost with all hands after the war, enroute to the US from the Med and the actions against the Barbary Pirates.
Dave
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Date: 2012-01-28 04:05 pm (UTC)Funny how many of everyone's ship names were French, or in Latin. (Serapis and Bonne Homme Richard, anyone?)
Then there were the names that were just silly. (The Flirt, for instance, I bet her sailors were popular!) It is strange to me that they did not think it unlucky to change ships names. They all seem to have done it all the time.
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Date: 2012-01-28 05:48 pm (UTC)Also if the ship's original name had a political significance it might have been changed. The Continental Navy's Hancock (32) became Iris when captured by the Royal Navy. It remained Iris when later taken by the French.
At Trafalgar, there was a Neptune or Neptuno in each of the three fleets, and a Swiftsure in both the English and French contingents.
Dave
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Date: 2012-02-10 10:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-01-28 05:52 pm (UTC)Dave
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Date: 2012-02-02 05:22 pm (UTC)Then there were the names that were just silly. (The Flirt, for instance, I bet her sailors were popular!)
I love some of those silly ship names :) Fairy is another favourite of mine.
It is strange to me that they did not think it unlucky to change ships names.
They also seem to have been unconcerned about ships being named after previous ships that had come to a bad end. I guess the Admiralty wasn't as superstitious as the seamen!