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Another image of the midshipmen's berth, this time in words rather than pictures. This extract is from Lieutenant Commander C.F.Walker highly entertaining book Young Gentlemen: The Story of Midshipmen from the 17th Century to the present day.

From the days of Blake, if not before, until the end of the eighteenth century, it had been the regular practice to paint all inboard works red, with the exception of officers' cabins. This was done for the grim, though practical, purpose of rendering blood splashes less conspicuous in action. In the days of the midshipmen's berths, therefore, the youngsters lived in scarlet surroundings. But in the early years of the nineteenth century red was replaced with yellow which in turn gave way to green, and finally about 1830 to white - the fashion which has prevailed ever since. There was however, a certain amount of latitude allowed in officers' messes. And, although the gunroom in question started life in a coat of sober white, the young gentlemen in question soon gave rein to their imaginations and repainted it sky-blue and pink! Even the two guns did not escape, but were painted blue with pink carriages to match the general ensemble. This might certainly have struck terror into the heart of the enemy when they were run out for action, but one cannot help wondering what the captain could have been about to permit such things.

With his penchant for interior decor, I feel sure William Bush would approve! :)

Walker, C.F., (1938), Young Gentlemen. The Story of Midshipmen from the 17th Century to the present day, Longmans, Green and Co, London.

Date: 2013-02-02 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eglantine-br.livejournal.com
I believe Constitution may have been red inside.

How kind and thoughtful to let the boys have at least a little control over their surroundings.

Date: 2013-02-08 10:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
Justinian is red inside too. Now I come to think of it, we never get to see the gunroom of the Indefatigable, just the wardroom, with Archie admiring Horatio's arse ;)

Date: 2013-02-02 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eglantine-br.livejournal.com
Somehow I have a sense of relief That the gun was blue and the carriage pink. The reverse would have been a little much. They run out the enormous pink gun.... (slinks away...)

Date: 2013-02-08 10:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
Tsk! Back to the gutter with you missy!

Date: 2013-02-02 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vespican.livejournal.com
What was that 1950's movie? Sort of a romantic comedy with nurses on a US submarine? It ended up being pink because they were in a hurry and mixed the red lead primer with the gray final coat. I seem to remember that Tony Curtis was in it, but I'm not at all sure of that.

As near as I understand it, exterior paint schemes for naval vessels was pretty much up to the captain, until the mid 1800s or so. The same may have applied to interiors as well. On all the plastic model kits I built of Constitution in my earlier years, interior bulkwarks were directed to be painted white. That is the interior of the spar deck rail. Aboard the frigate these days, those areas are green.

There also seems to be the conception that US warships had white gunport stripes compared to the British yellow. I understand that yellow was pretty much universal at the beginning of the 19th century. The big difference was the color of gun port covers when closed. US ships usually matched the stripe, while British lids contrasted.

Dave

Date: 2013-02-08 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
What was that 1950's movie? Sort of a romantic comedy with nurses on a US submarine?
Ha! HMS Petticoat! Well remembered :) I'm sure I saw this film when I was a kid.

Edited Date: 2013-02-08 11:51 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-02-09 04:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eglantine-br.livejournal.com
Yes-- wonderful movie. And then there was a series based on it for a while too.

Date: 2013-02-02 06:26 pm (UTC)
ext_565103: (Tom Pullings)
From: [identity profile] amaraal.livejournal.com
Did you really write 'pink'? *scrolls back to re-read* Yip! *snorfel* YAY! I approve too!

@eglantine: You are sooooo naughty! *tuts*

Date: 2013-02-08 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
Yes. PINK! XD

@eglantine: You are sooooo naughty! *tuts*
She's terrible. Don't encourage her ;)

Date: 2013-02-02 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aletheiafelinea.livejournal.com
This might certainly have struck terror into the heart of the enemy when they were run out for action
:))))))))))))))

And *cough* it irresistibly brings this old joke (http://www.sailorgirl.com/s/m9_joke.htm). *g*

Date: 2013-02-02 10:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vespican.livejournal.com
I'd heard a version of the joke years ago... it concerned generals of two allied armies the evening before the battle. The first asked for his red uniform for much the same reason the captain requested his red shirt. The second general then asks for his brown pants.
Dave

Date: 2013-02-03 12:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aletheiafelinea.livejournal.com
Looks like realists are in every sort of army. :)

Date: 2013-02-08 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
Oh for goodness sake! I'm tied up with work for a few days and I com back and find you shower lowering the tone of my LJ with smut! XD

Date: 2013-02-08 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aletheiafelinea.livejournal.com
Not yet. The horror begins when they run out of washing powder. *drums and frenzied fiddles*

Date: 2013-02-12 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
Ewwww! Thank you for that delightful image!

Date: 2013-02-12 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aletheiafelinea.livejournal.com
Aww :} How about something clean (http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/aletheiafelinea/29666222/94318/94318_original.jpg) for a change?

Date: 2013-02-12 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
OMG! It's Bartholomew! He's adorable :D You are forgiven ;)

Date: 2013-02-12 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aletheiafelinea.livejournal.com
(Uff)
I bring puppies for Navies, and Naval puppies at that... My pirate reputation's in shreds... Well, love thy enemy. And puppies. ;)

And this ball of fluff is more succesful in making me interested in another try with Hornblower than Mr.Ioan. What does it say about me? Admittedly I have tried only the books...

Date: 2013-02-17 09:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
My pirate reputation's in shreds...
Pirate shmirate! You're just a big pussy cat! :D

And this ball of fluff is more succesful in making me interested in another try with Hornblower than Mr.Ioan.
Forget the movies...forget the books...all you need to [livejournal.com profile] esmerelda_t's Bartholomew!verse crack XD

Date: 2013-02-17 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aletheiafelinea.livejournal.com
*dignifiedly turns her whiskers nose up* Pussy ca...? *coughhh* Sorry. A hairball.

Looks like I do indeed. XD

Date: 2013-02-18 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
Will you purr if I scratch you under your chin? *g*

Date: 2013-02-18 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aletheiafelinea.livejournal.com
*glare* Humans...
Maybe a little...

Date: 2013-02-22 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
Don't give me that! I can hear you purring from here ;P

Date: 2013-02-22 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aletheiafelinea.livejournal.com
That's my tummy. Food for the kitty? :3 Ooh, a duck! *creeps*

Date: 2013-02-03 04:20 am (UTC)
ext_3319: Goth girl outfit (edrington)
From: [identity profile] rikibeth.livejournal.com
Blue. And. Pink.

don't mind me, I'll be over here laughing...

Date: 2013-02-08 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
Yep. Blue and pink. Feel free to snigger ;)
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Date: 2013-02-08 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
*dies laughing* Oh well done! Very smart XD Do you think they had matching flowers on their undercarriages and unmentionables?

Date: 2013-02-09 10:31 am (UTC)
ext_565103: (aubrey breasts)
From: [identity profile] amaraal.livejournal.com
ROFL!!!!! I die! I die! Stop it, pleeeeeeeease! :) OMG.

Date: 2013-02-12 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
Hey don't blame me! It was them wot started it! XD

Date: 2013-02-09 04:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eglantine-br.livejournal.com
So we are back to flowered underpants, are we?

Date: 2013-02-12 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anteros-lmc.livejournal.com
So it seems. They are a perennial favourite ;)

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